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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 13:21:52 
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Thanks for helping me troubleshoot guys.

I have tried to do exactly as you described franz, hopefully I understood correctly what you meant for me to do.
There is no change unfortunately, rescue does not appear to engage the way it's supposed to.

https://youtu.be/ej7zg_qzVfo


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 13:42:14 
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enter subtitles e increase video quality I do not understand anything.(ok now you fixed)

if you in rescue collective pitch change from 60 to any number and when you activate the rescue the plate always goes to 0 degrees not is one problem of settings why from 60% to 90% the swashplate from 0 degrees it had to have a higher number.
but if I'm not mistaken always goes to 0 even if you move this number (rescue collective pitch)
not is normal.
maybe an incompatibility problem.
I have the tx16s too but i don't use it because it is open source it has many incompatibility problems.

You have one radio spektrum, jeti, one radio standard and no radio with open tx or edge tx?

try this again on the radio set pitch curve flat type 30-30-30-30-30 and in diagnostic on spirit software the green bar pitch it moves?
I want to understand if they are not reversed channel picth and throttle (I'm running out of ideas)


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 13:52:54 
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attention but you not have channel gyro gain??
set one channel for gyro gain and if it does not work try to move the gyro gain -50%
you can control the rescue with the gyro gain and maybe there is a problem between channel method and gyro method
and in addition radiomaster tx16s there is no gyro menu
https://manual.spirit-system.com/index.php?title=Stabi_mode/it


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 14:48:46 
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I have gotten rid of my Graupner and Futaba radios many years ago unfortunatly. I have a couple of Frskys but they all run Edgetx these days.

I have made two more videos. In the first one I show a 30% flat curve that gives about 3 degrees positive collective pitch. But enabling rescue show pitch going to zero. I didn't understand what you ment by gyro gain but in the the second video I set Rescue to be controlled by gain instead of a channel But the behaviour is the same as before.

Unfortunately I'm also running out of ideas. It would be interesting if I had another Spririt and could see if that behaved the same way. Or if someone else could test my configuration on their Spirit and see if Rescue gived 0 or a positive amount of pitch. I don't think the radio operating system has any way to affect how the Spirit behaves during rescue. In rescue pitch is fully controlled by the Spirit anyway.


https://youtu.be/8BIP1cmFAsI
https://youtu.be/1rQKgJDwMjE


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 15:16:20 
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Hello,
for me is your heli totaly misconfigured, sorry to say that -

Start from the scratch and do not try to solve the problems as you think -

You have Futatba Servos (Sbus ?) ? For me it looks like you have limited the servo travel with the sbus dongle from futaba ? If so, then undo it -

It is really recommended to read through the Spirit FBL instructions here in a concentrated manner, in my opinion all the basic settings are wrong -

For the basic settings, make sure that the servo arms are in the middle of the servo housing - in this position, the washer arms must be horizontal on both sides, then you have the correct center of the mechanics - furthermore, the swash plate must be aligned in this position using the swash plate leveler . Furthermore, in this basic position, both blades must be 0°, if this is not the case, the whole setting will not be correct afterwards. Great care must be taken here!

In any case, do not try to make any changes via the remote control, except in the diagnostics tab -

If you are in a model flight club, it is best to get support from an experienced colleague to help you -


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 15:51:58 
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Thanks for your input Mattes.
I have made quite a few videos showing my configuration, If my setup is completely wrong as you say I'm sure you can point to a configuration mistake in this video: https://youtu.be/KrTPDLujluQ

Right now I have started from a blank model setup, only reversing elevator and collective in order to get the diagnostic bars to move correctly before moving on to subtrim and other setup steps.

The Futaba BLS451 and BLS251 are not Sbus servos and they are not configurable in any way.

The heli has been set up with a RClogger pitch gauge and is pretty close to perfect. In fact it flies perfectly to, exept for the fact that Rescue behaves very strangely.

I agree that it is time to start again and try the setup from scratch for a fourth or fifth time. God knows I have a better understading of the manual now that when I first started. :-)


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 16:43:45 
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Hello,
the first step seems ok (Diagnostic Tab) - Please show me your servos in the
Center position and there go to the point subtrim tuning, I would like to see all the servo levers individually on the swashplate, how the alignment is, please also put the pitch gauge in the rotor blades at this point, first one, then the other and have it displayed - please also show where the zero point is made as a reference, best of all show how zeroing is done there and then the pitch gauge is pushed onto the respective rotor blades -
With all the settings it should be noted that linear curves for all rudders and for pitch must always be set in the remote control, i.e. from -100/ 0/ +100 - please also show this in the remote control, and not superficially and with top speed - A remote diagnosis is difficult!
Another thing that is important, if the running directions in the diagnosis tab are correct, it doesn't have to look like this on the swash plate, it has to be changed in the FBL for servo reverse, not in the remote control - Please show everything carefully and slowly, otherwise errors will be overlooked (remote diagnosis)

It would also be interesting to know whether the swashplate has to move up or down for a positive pitch -


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 18:31:56 
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ok channel or gain It does not change anything.

and after in channel (spirit software) you don't have a channel assigned
Attachment:
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try to assign the gyro channel and try.
if it doesn't change try this:


but if you now set from +10 and -10
in +13 and -13
when you activate the rescue does it go from 0 degrees to 3 degrees?


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mattes ok on the wrong setting but why if this moves
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90% 60% 40% the servo always goes to 0?
an incorrect setting instead of 6 degrees it was supposed to have 3 degrees or another number
instead he always at 0 degrees goes the servant.

if you don't solve it this mode I think some incompatibility
I would try another servo, or other radio and receiver
try what you have for now
try another radio
try another receiving
try another servo

with jeti with spektrum It worked for me the first time radiomaster tx16s mark2 max I haven't used it even if I own it I have heard so many problems with open tx edge tx ecc but try to change one piece at a time, borrow it or mount spirit on another helicopter


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 20:28:56 
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First of all, thank you so much for your assistance. I've now gone through the setup from start to finish once more, inkluding leveling the swash etc. From a factory reset and newly flashed Spirit.
I changed receiver to a Frsky SR8 and a Taranis radio as well.
There is no change in behaviour even with collective pitch increased to 14 degrees (I think you ment for me to increase from 10 degrees)
I've made another video but there's nothing new really.

I may be able to borrow a Frsky Ethos radio to see if that makes any difference but I'm very doubtful.

Again thank you very much for you help. I hope you both go out and fly this weekend and perhaps I'll be back on Monday with some results with a borrowed radio.

https://youtu.be/oO4NogPofVY


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PostPosted: Fri 11. Aug 2023 21:03:06 
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Franz,
if loctite assigns the rudder gain directly in the banks then he makes absolute no mistakes -
The problem is, we see not if he makes all steps right -
Are the geometry setttings right (6°) we can not see too -
How has he set cyclic ring (how much) we have no idea -
This is really very hard over remote diagnosis...

I really don't know how I could help him more -

The only way I see do the settings from scratch and let out the rescue - anywhere is an mistake -
The middlefrequency in the transmitter (in the radiomaster) he should set to 1520 mue sec ...


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