OK, I got it off the ground three times and it did not crash, so that is a good start. However, I had a few problems.

1) In stabilization (normal) mode the tail rotor is in "rate" mode and in stabilization (scale) it is in "heading hold".

2) Very strong tail wag in heading hold and not as bad in rate.

3) I can adjust the tail rotor end points in bank 2 only. Bank 0 and bank 1 will not check the box and I do not have full movement on the slider.

4) I have read, that you need to adjust the gain in the TX fr tail wag. I have a DX9 and am not exactly sure how to do that.

Getting closer, so any help would be great, but please speak detailed, dumbbell English please.

Jim

Hello,

1) When gyro is in normal mode, you should see that the rudder will go to the center automatically. Is it happening?
Technically it is not possible to run stabilization (normal) with gyro in Rate mode and stabilization (scale) in Heading hold.
I guess that the problem is, that when you think that it is stabilization (scale) it is actually stabilization (normal) and when it is stabilization (normal) it is stabilization (scale). Can't be the problem just in this?
You can verify it very easily - start the software, set Stabi/Function: Stabilisation (Scale) and set negative gyro gain. Then the rudder will immediately move to the center which mean that it is in Rate mode.

2) What Gyro Gain do you have configured? Did you tried to reduce it? Do not forget that with Gyro Gain you are not only activating Stabilisation/Rescue modes, but also configuring Gyro Gain. If % are very high, then it will cause tail oscillations. You have to only reduce it.

3) Adjusting Tail endpoints is possible only in Bank 0, because it is base settings that should be same for each bank. This is rather mechanical setup, so once you will set it it should be same all the time.

4) Yes, adjusting Gyro Gain is needed for all gyros. % value is usually hidden in the GYRO menu of your transmitter. Without configuration of this value it can't fly well. I guess that now it is very high. You should start with value around 50 - 60%.

What I highly recommend is to not play with Stabilisation/Rescue modes yet. But first from all set the helicopter for normal flying. Because if you are trying to set everything, it is only more complicated. So doing this in a small steps can be better.

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Thank you Tomas. Things are much better now. It was not clear to me that the three numbers I set for gyro, in the transmitter were also the rudder gain settings. I changed the gain in rate mode to 50 and no tail wag. I dropped the gain in heading hold to 50, then 40 and still have a slight wag.

When I am hooked to the software, stabilization normal and scale function just as they are suppose to. When I go out of the software, disconnect the battery, then plug it back in, they reverse. I guess I could make a video to prove this.

In heading hold, the slider moves back and forth the full length of the shaft, giving me full pitch on the tail rotor in both directions. In rate mode, the slider only moves a short distance in each direction and does not give me full pitch either direction.

I have to set up stabilization and not normal, because I can't fly in normal mode very well. I have been flying for about a year and have only learned to fly well in stabilization mode, which is what drew me to the Spirit Pro. I fly scale, so I have not had the need to really work on flying in normal mode. I am not a 3D kind of guy.

I will say that the helicopter flies very stable. It does not do anything silly and is rock solid when the sticks are centered. I am very impressed with this.

Jim

Jim, it most probably is that you radio is not "commanding" the banks the way you think.

Check it in Diagnostic screen, you always see which Bank is currently commanded by the TX (even if for operating on it from the software you have to switch them with the listbox).

(I thought we solved this already on your other thread)

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When I switch Banks in the little box in diagnostic, it will not switch, but remains in Bank 2. The TX must be switching, because there is clearly a difference in the heli when I flip the switch.

No, we never got the reversing thing worked out from my other thread. Everything is still, just as it always has been.

With that said, I have one Bank working, in heading hold and the heli is flying very nicely. Rate does not work at all and even with things reversed, I really don't care what the name on the Bank says, as long as it flies nicely, which it is. I really only need one Bank anyway, so all is well.

I am happy with the Spirit Pro in my Trex 250, but not sure I will try one on my 450. Too many things not working as advertised and nobody seems to be able to tell me why. Not willing to take a chance with the larger heli.

Jim

Jim,
without providing us more details, it is hard to help you.
We can't configure things for you in your transmitter.

Clearly there is a problem in the transmitter settings. Why it does not work?
Your banks are not switching at all.

You have to see in the Diagnostic tab, that banks are changing. If there is same number all the time, then only Bank 2 is active.

As I said earlier, it is not good to try to setup everything without understanding how it works.
If you know your transmitter well it should not take more than 2 minutes to set it how you want.
So your problem is not related with the unit, but with the transmitter.

Why you can see that it is doing "something"?
Because you are very likely only changing Gyro Gain from positive to negative. This will activate or deactivate the Stabilisation function (and possibly change Gyro mode).

If you can specify what is your current goal, I can tell you what to set step by step.

If you for example flying with a helicopter and you will loose orientation and crash, you of course can't tell that this is fault of the model. This is similar case.
Spirit offers many more features, but it does not mean that you have to set each as fast as possible.

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Well, Jimbo, that's not fair.

Spirit works exactly "as advertised" for hundreds of others.

You simply don't follow the suggestions you receive, don't explain the results of your checks, and refuse following the advice.

The perfect example is your other thread: you simply stop answering, you had a suggestion from me and one from Tomáš. And you... did nothing.

Than you blame the unit! Come on.

I am done here. Once more, lot of time spent trying to help people who simply Do Not Listen.

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I believe I did give information of exactly what was happening and I did, in fact try to follow the advice I was given. I am not a "kid" by a log shot and I do listen to what I'm told. I simply did not find the suggestions given helpfull at all.

The user guide is vague and contains instruction, as well as screen shots, of an outdated version. I am not the type to bad mouth this unit to anyone and will not go on any of the other forums saying bad things. I did state that what part I have working is very nice and I think it, most likely is, a very nice unit. However, being new to this, but not stupid, there is just not enough, detailed information available, for me to make this work. I have several friends, who are in the same boat with the Spirit Pro, so I am not the only one.

As for your time, yes, you have responded, but nothing you have said was helpful. In fact, if you remember, I called you on something you said and you admitted you were wrong, so don't get uppity with me.

Jim

Hello Jimbo,

what user guide you are using?

Our guides are updated with each version.
Here is the page for the latest one: http://manual.spirit-system.com
There you can find Manual for the unit and other how-tos. At the intro page there must be always Version that you are using (2.2.0 is the latest now).

Particularly here you can find Stabi tab configuration: http://manual.spirit-system.com/index.p ... #STABI_TAB

And regarding Bank switching please look there:
http://manual.spirit-system.com/index.p ... _SWITCHING

Please let me know what information you are missing so we can add it.

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Thank you Tomas. That is not the guide I was using.

Jim