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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Sun 19. Jul 2020 9:08:48 
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thestructured wrote:
Please view this for proper swash setup.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bna6a781v35q210/600setup?dl=0

Also; did your gartt 600 DFC head come as a set with a new main shaft as well? Because the DFC head requires a lower mainshaft than the stock main shaft. Part: h60247t


Hello again,

My Skype name is : alex4buba, I am in Australia on the East coast - GMT+10 , where are you?
The Gratt comes with a shaft and a Swashplate. The shaft is 162 mm long, I tried it and it is no good. The Swashplate has a very visible play around the shaft. I replaced both items with Align genuine shaft (172mm long) and Swashplate and I have the 3 cyclic servo arms at close to 90° .

I manage to get to Step-7 and I have zero degrees at mid stick for both blades over the boom.

But, can't get to the elusive 6° ...

Looking forward to hear from you

Cheers

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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Sun 19. Jul 2020 20:59:48 
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Can you please email me photos: thestructured@gmail.com

Take photos of the linkages/swashplate at 0 degrees pitch/center stick


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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Sun 19. Jul 2020 22:35:39 
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alex4orly wrote:
thestructured wrote:
Please view this for proper swash setup.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bna6a781v35q210/600setup?dl=0

Also; did your gartt 600 DFC head come as a set with a new main shaft as well? Because the DFC head requires a lower mainshaft than the stock main shaft. Part: h60247t


Hello again,

My Skype name is : alex4buba, I am in Australia on the East coast - GMT+10 , where are you?
The Gratt comes with a shaft and a Swashplate. The shaft is 162 mm long, I tried it and it is no good. The Swashplate has a very visible play around the shaft. I replaced both items with Align genuine shaft (172mm long) and Swashplate and I have the 3 cyclic servo arms at close to 90° .

I manage to get to Step-7 and I have zero degrees at mid stick for both blades over the boom.

But, can't get to the elusive 6° ...

Looking forward to hear from you

Cheers

Pretty sure your 6 degree problem is your using the wrong main shaft. According the manual for the 600 with a DFC head the main shaft is 163mm part #AGNH60243A.


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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Sun 19. Jul 2020 23:46:40 
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That's kind of what I was thinking too hence why I asked earlier, though if he's getting 0 pitch on the blades with the servos 90 degrees, I don't know, this is why photos would make figuring this out way easier.


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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Mon 20. Jul 2020 13:57:02 
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Dear Gentlemen,

Problem solved. I will write an entire review and explain, why I had the problem and how it was resolved.

A major part is to do with English.

Thank you all for your time and help,

Thank you, yufasa for the script, the answer was in it.

Cheers

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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Mon 20. Jul 2020 15:01:19 
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you are welcome...please let me know what part so I can clarify it in my video.


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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Tue 21. Jul 2020 8:35:41 
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I will first give you some background about me, this is a precursor to what I am about to say after. Please, get yourself a drink, this will be a bit long…

I started my life journey (Part-2) as a computer software programmer in 1974. Yes, a long time before at least some of you were not yet even on the drawing board… I continue doing it until today in retirement, for Not-For-Profit organizations. Before I retired, I ran a small software business with some 20 employees.

We had a rule in this company (not original mine, Microsoft and all the large software companies are practicing the same concept). A software programmer who designs a software application, IS NOT the right person to do for that software after he / she completed it:

1) The final testing and quality control
2) Nor is that person fit to write the instructions / user manual for it

The reasons for the above are simple: the person who wrote the software, is a skilled person in his field, he / she knows a lot about the topic, he / she is unable to get down to Layman level to write a user manual for the new commers. To that person, too many things seem “Obvious”, too many things seem a waste of time to point out, sure everybody knows that. We all have some experiences in life of say, an excellent Math teacher, a genius in his field, but a lousy teacher…

Well friends, there are two types of “New-commers” here:

1) Those new to Spirit
2) Those new to the RC Helicopter world, therefore also new to Spirit - I am one of them!

Well, as our software business started growing, I became more and more involved in administrative activities, less in actual software development (I got back into it in 2007 when I retired). We employed a dedicated person to do the Quality control and another one (a woman in this case, a professional technical writer) to write the user manuals.

I become involved in that part when the back-log became too long to ignore. You can notice my tendency to be an explicit writer here (maybe too verbose…), but you can also understand that I am very suitable to ask all the “Stupid” questions, that no doubt at least some of you thought that when reading some of my queries…

And last, before I get to the “Spirit”. Many instruction manuals are trying to look short and brief, the “Writers” don’t usually like writing them anyway, they also know how much most people dislike reading manuals. Hence, the writers are condensing the text into one long block, make it harder to read and absorb the various aspects of the topic.

More specifically to my case… All my findings are related to the Spirit setup wizard. Before going into details, I will make the following comments:

1) It seems this product is a fantastic and superior product, well done Thomas and team.
2) One of the main attractions of it for me was the idea of being able to configure it through a software program.
3) Due to the product being so versatile, there is no choice for the user manual to jump between topics, depending on the individual case… Tx, Rx, Helicopter model etc…
4) While waiting to the item to reach me – during this COVID-19 challenging times, I read the manual back to front twice. But, without the Spirit in front of me, this “Dry-run” didn’t reveal any of the problems I faced along the way.

Now to my observations:

The wizard asks in Step-2 to select the position, swashplate configuration and then, is trying to be helpful by letting me select the model type I have. I selected CCPM- 120° Reversed – this is the Trex-600 that I have. Then, the next step it offers a selection of the Helicopter model I have, when Selecting the Trex-600, it switched my Swashplate configuration with CH-2 / Elevator pointing downwards – the wrong direction in my case. This wasted TWO days of my time, I didn’t notice it did that switch to the wrong swashplate. If you look at my support topics, I started by saying that my Tx strangely behaves as if I am using Mode-2, when the problem was a reversed swashplate.

Next, the video clips on the Support section are outdated, they do not present the current software version, nor the order of steps in the setup. Especially for new commers like me, it is very likely that I get the latest product and the latest software version. Watching those video clips is just another source of confusion (and wasted time), and none of them is very clear. In my opinion.

Some people trying to help me along the way made some statements which were completely incorrect. The Trex-600 Electric went through at least 5 different versions, so – what was the case for one version is not necessarily correct for all.

For example, the length of the main shaft… The genuine Align Trex-600 DFC shaft according to the manual states 163.3mm length. I got a genuine Align Trex-600 DFC pair of shafts, the length of those is 172 mm, where is that coming from? The Gartt complete head + shaft + swash plate came with a shaft of 162mm long… I tried it, didn’t work. In fact – the travel distance become impossible to move up without hitting the head itself.

One other MAJOR topic – the terminology. There are in this game 4 Parts to be adjusted:

1) 90° servo arms, once done, not to be touched – right?
2) The initial length of the TWO pushrods from Ail / Pit servos to the swashplate
3) The TWO blade pitch control rods – part of the DFC head
4) The Sliders in the software.

For all the time (for a whole month), until 2 days ago, I was under the wrong impression that all the setup in Step-7 must be done in the SOFTWARE only… The only explanation for this is from the fact that the user setup instructions are NOT clear.

I have probably stumbled along the way into more traps, but that should do it to describe my frustration and wasted time. Thomas, if you want – I can re-write the Wizard section for the future customers, just say so.

My savior – yufasa – has come to my rescue, gave me a clear script of Step-7 onwards. Following this, I completed the following:

1) 90° of the 3 servo arms.
2) Leveled the swashplate by adjusting the TWO pushrods. The Elevator control arm served as a reference point, since I can’t adjust it.
3) There was hardly any need to correct with the software sliders
4) Used the blade pitch control of both blades to get to ZERO at mid stick. Needed jus a bit of adjustment on the slider
5) Once done, I moved to Step-8… Surprise, I was now able to adjust to the elusive 6°

From here to the finish line, it was simple….

I am attaching here a document with some examples of the Detailed instructions I received along the way. Thank you to HeliMLM for a good set of steps to setup the Coaxial / rescue modes. This is what I call a detailed set of steps.

Thank you all again. I am almost ready to try to hover, but not before I go and undo all the links to add some thread lock…

Cheers
Alex

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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Tue 21. Jul 2020 9:50:35 
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great it works now for you! :D

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 Post subject: Re: New DFC Swashplate
PostPosted: Wed 22. Jul 2020 8:37:22 
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I'm glad that you got it figured out.

However remember that this is a forum for the spirit flybarless unit. The questions and problems you had were more general 'how to set up an rc helicopter', I strongly suggest you make an account at http://www.helifreak.com where you can find a surplus of information on anything and everything including model specific setup for most any helicopter model ever made. That is the best resource for all questions about helicopter models in general and a great place for newcomers to the hobby to learn :)


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